Daily Discussion Thread | October 06, 2021
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Kerr believes in OPJ as a 4! Told yall about how good he'd be.
I really hope Poole will not get injured with how he drive the paint. Please basketball God, not this season and not this guy.
I don't know it's accidentally or on purpose, but he usually just throw his body to the ground so he doesn't land awkwardly with his foot. Steph must be has taught him some trick for that.
He's literally Steph 2.0.
We need some size. I dont think Wiseman alone can help our problem in rebounding and interior defense. For our last spot or 2way, we need to sign a big.
cool. who should we sign?
Demarcus Cousins who else?
I love that Kerr isn't content at all. He sees our great results and he wants more and thinks we can be better, off of the interviews. Definitely gotta work on more offensive sets and pressuring the rim.
This is probably the [play](https://youtu.be/n2_pm0WSooQ?t=451) where Kuminga tweaked his leg.
Poole pulled a couple of hesi moves that were insane. The [first one](https://youtu.be/n2_pm0WSooQ?t=183), so smooth. The [second one](https://youtu.be/n2_pm0WSooQ?t=233) was almost like he lost the ball in air, everyone stalls, but he pulls it back and goes for the layup.
We really out here hurting the league.
not tryna sound like a negative nancy, but is anyone else legitimately concerned about our interior defense and rebounding? i mean i know we don’t have wiseman, but he wasn’t a good defender or rebounder his rookie year. we’d have to hope he made legit strides in his game or we’d have a legitimate issue
Not during these preseason games because no one is going to play defense that hard in the preseason to risk injury.
For defense Dray/Looney will be good. As for rebounding yeah we won’t be great there.
You've made like 5 comments on this exact same point... We get it fam.
ok cool, didn’t ask lol
I am lol and there's no other viable way to improve as well. Ab might be that but he looks tad slower, gp is injured. Steph poole can pop off and we're gonna rain on everyone but what about an offnight
Oh, interior defense as well. Basically we're gonna run and gun but i might be thinking so much ahead since im worrying about playoffs lol hell big body like gordon gives problems
Yes its a problem, we're banking on Wiseman coming back improved to help us with that. I have quite a lot of confidence in him to be honest
He was already getting better with rebounding near the end. I think he will be okay on those basic aspects.
The individual coaching should help with him being lost on offense.
Love the hustle, steals and defense from Moody. 3 point shot too!!
People might not want to hear this, but Bjelica and OPJ are both better fits already than Kelly Oubre Jr was at any point of 2020-21 season.
They both look like they've been with us for multiple seasons already.
Dude, the difference in ball movement with these guys and last season is insane. Last season Oubre would just kill any momentum. Those extra passes could convert a Oubre contested three(yikes) into corner Otto porter 3's
So good to watch.
"And that's what excites me about this team, I'm not gonna need to convince them to make the extra pass, they all seem to make it naturally and instinctively."
WOW, I WONDER WHO HE'S TALKING ABOUT!??!!?!?
is there someone that doesnt want to hear it?
I've been downvoted for less.
Even those that don't want to yhear it can see it
You can delete comments...
Even those that don't want to hear it can see it
For sure, offense flows better without the black hole on offense. Those two are studs in their own right too..
Lakers are already getting Medicare coverage
Omg that Poole stare has to be memed or go viral.
Only 1 game but Paschall looks like he still has the same 3pt shooting form. Geez
He's stubborn, that's why i think it was better to let him go. Trainers went on about his form and yet he still whined to use the old form lol
Watching EP right now is so sad. It’s like he hasn’t worked on his game at all since getting drafted. Still flopping his legs and jumping a foot in the air on every 3
I saw his stat line. Pretty expected 27 min, 0 assist, 1/6 from 3. Wishing him the best but glad we moved on from him
How much do you guys think Wisemans development has been stunted/halted due to missing two off-seasons in a row? Hes now missed two consecutive training camps, summer leagues, and pre-seasons. Will these matter in the long run? Or is he significantly behind because of this.
i think most of his issues can get fixed with more game time and not off season training. thats why sending him to the GLeague is a good idea, the issue is we have terrible rebounding and size so kinda need him. lets hope he can look better as soon as he gets back
Summer league is so fucking over rated. It’s just a bunch of dudes running iso plays.
And as for pre season he’s been working on his game with coaching staff. As long as he’s healthy it won’t matter in the long run.
i’m really hoping james wiseman shows improvements in his game this season. especially defensively. if he can at least be a respectable rim protector while being a good rebounder it’ll benefit the team immensely.
Very important game for Poole. We'll be seeing if the 30 piece was just a fluke, or if it was legit and the beginning of his ascend to All Star-dom. Hoping its the latter of course
Pooole dropped multiple 30 point games last season. He isnt a fluke. He can play. The 7 deep threes was a fluke though. He isnt Curry.
I hope yall aren't expecting him to drop 30 again lmao. I'm hoping for an efficient and confident 20 and some good passes with good awareness on D and good offball defense, sticking to his man to prevent the backcuts and not overplaying.
Obviously... I just want to see if it was a hot shooting night, or improvement. I don't mind seeing like 4/10 shooting, doesn't need to be 7/13 3FG
If he performs half as well as he did last game I think that would be a success. I'm looking to see that confidence with playmaking and shooting even if the shots don't go down
Yep, excited about this one. Is it still only on NBATv?
Aye aye matey, ye hop on the ship for there are always other methods.
Pretty sure it’s league pass and local only.
Just checked. It’s on local tv - NBC Sports Bay Area 7 PM PST.
Not sure about that, hopefully someone else can answer that. There will always be alternatives, of course... 🏴☠️
I've got to sleep so can't watch which means we'll win gl.
I'll watch it for you
Are all players available and will play today like the first game?
Lemme text Steve rq
I just want yall to know that if we chased wins last season, we probably don't ever unlock Poole or JTA.
Would have still played Poole after game 15 last season when it was clear that Wannamaker wasn't cutting it tbh. At worst we would've kept developing him.
Poole was even worse than wannamaker at the beginning of the season, both were inefficient and didnt do anything on offense except wannamaker actually plays defense.
idk what the gleague team gave to poole but it worked.
I guarantee if the coaching staff was chasing wins, they'd have played Curry 38mpg and the majority of the rest would have gone to Lee, a more known and older guy instead of the young promising rookie that had quite the rocky first season. He'd have gotten minutes but nowhere near enough to get into a rhythm that allows him to thrive and get the right confidence.
This legitimately doesn’t make any sense.
Had we been chasing wins we would have been playing our best players which meant more minutes from Poole and JTA from the start…
>Had we been chasing wins we would have been playing our best players which meant more minutes from Poole and JTA from the start…
Do you remember what the public perception of JTA and Poole was before around the All Star Break?
For JTA, it was that he was lesser than Mulder and didn't deserve an NBA contract. I got the receipts and posted them a while ago. Our coaching staff had no clue that he good actually contribute, hence giving Mulder the contract. The public perception from the fandom was worse.
For Poole, we can never know what the coaching staff fully thought of him but I think it's fair to assume they wouldn't have played him anywhere near as much post G-League if they wanted to win. There simply wouldn't be enough backcourt minutes with Steph playing so many minutes. This as well as the fact that they didn't have that much trust in him yet. As for the public perception.... Well, you're the Day 1 Poole Stan, I think you should know just how much hate he got on this sub.
My overall point is that had we been chasing wins the whole season, we wouldn't have unlocked JTA and Poole BECAUSE they sprouted and grew as the season went along. Had we been chasing wins, there'd be less bench minutes and these 2 would have never gotten in the rhythm they needed to shine. Had we been chasing wins, we would have simply not given them the opportunities they needed.
We're chasing wins now though, by Kerr's own words, which is a good thing.
>For JTA, it was that he was lesser than Mulder and didn't deserve an NBA contract. I got the receipts and posted them a while ago. Our coaching staff had no clue that he good actually contribute, hence giving Mulder the contract.
This is incorrect. They let JTA go because they believed he had a higher chance to clear waivers than Mulder did. Then he was getting DNPs because there was a game limit at the time for guys on a 2WC.
In hindsight JTA is the better player, but they made the decision on how best they could keep both.
I don’t remember see this at all. We will never know FOs motivations for many actions most of the time, so unless you saw some article or mention of it, it’s hard to be sure.
So to keep the discussion around the sub itself, at the start of the season, yep, Mulder was rated higher than JTA.
I believe slater wrote about it on the athletic. That was my main source of Warriors news last season
>This is incorrect. They let JTA go because they believed he had a higher chance to clear waivers than Mulder did. Then he was getting DNPs because there was a game limit at the time for guys on a 2WC.
>In hindsight JTA is the better player, but they made the decision on how best they could keep both.
That certainly wasn't the narrative that this sub came out with.....
> Do you remember what the public perception of JTA and Poole was before around the All Star Break?
By who exactly because I know I was wondering why JTA was out of the rotation most of last year?
> My overall point is that had we been chasing wins the whole season, we wouldn’t have unlocked JTA and Poole BECAUSE they sprouted and grew as the season went along.
Had they been given minutes we could have had a firmer grasp on their capabilities **much** sooner.
JTA wasn’t even performing poorly, he wasn’t even being played. In January he played a grand total of **28** minutes.
> Had we been chasing wins, there’d be less bench minutes and these 2 would have never gotten in the rhythm they needed to shine.
Chasing wins doesn’t mean running an 8-man rotation for months on end, it’s putting players in positions to succeed and not sacrificing continuity for the sake of “development” or front office politics.
That means Wiseman not starting and tanking every lineup he was in, Oubre not playing with Wiseman at all, JTA being given a fair shake instead of trying to extract blood from the “shiny new acquisitions” just because he wasn’t an organizational priority, Poole still could have went to the G-League.
> Had we been chasing wins, we would have simply not given them the opportunities they needed.
They were only given opportunities out of necessity. Everyone else was injured, it just so happened that the injuries were to the main culprits.
We could have chased wins from the start by saying “fuck where you were picked or how much the luxury tax bill was to acquire you, earn your keep”.
This doesn’t mean Wiseman can’t play, but not he shouldn’t be a starter until he proves he’s better than Looney. If that means he’s only playing 8-14 minutes so be it. If the goal was to bridge this generation to the next they should know it requires patience and a clear plan of action, not thrusting the rawest rookie, playing the most demanding position straight into the fire.
JTA fit Kerr’s system like a glove but was never given a fair shake.
>By who exactly because I know I was wondering why JTA was out of the rotation most of last year?
[EVERYONE](https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/p2rxpg/comment/h8m8xqb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and even though you gave him more respect than most, [you included.](https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/kc063v/comment/gfmyntx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>Had they been given minutes we could have had a firmer grasp on their capabilities much sooner.JTA wasn’t even performing poorly, he wasn’t even being played. In January he played a grand total of 28 minutes.
The issue is that if we were chasing wins, they wouldn't have gotten minutes at all. That's my point. Us sacrificing a win or two just to experiment with some guys and put them in certain plays was a positive.
>Chasing wins doesn’t mean running an 8-man rotation for months on end, it’s putting players in positions to succeed and not sacrificing continuity for the sake of “development” or front office politics.
That means Wiseman not starting and tanking every lineup he was in, Oubre not playing with Wiseman at all, JTA being given a fair shake instead of trying to extract blood from the “shiny new acquisitions” just because he wasn’t an organizational priority, Poole still could have went to the G-League.
From what I saw, chasing wins meant the following:
Steph plays the entire 4th quarter
Draymond at C more, and he plays the entire 4th quarter.
Don't play beyond the 8 man rotation of Steph/Oubre/Wiggins/Draymond/Looney/Baze/Paschall
That was the narrative running rampant, I ain't gonna let someone say otherwise.
>They were only given opportunities out of necessity. Everyone else was injured, it just so happened that the injuries were to the main culprits.
The trust given to them by the FO can still be attributed to the fact that they weren't trying to win every game. Injuries certainly played a role, but the FO gave their trust to the players at all times, even if that meant not winning all the games.
>We could have chased wins from the start by saying “fuck where you were picked or how much the luxury tax bill was to acquire you, earn your keep”.
>This doesn’t mean Wiseman can’t play, but not he shouldn’t be a starter until he proves he’s better than Looney. If that means he’s only playing 8-14 minutes so be it. If the goal was to bridge this generation to the next they should know it requires patience and a clear plan of action, not thrusting the rawest rookie, playing the most demanding position straight into the fire.
As I said, that simply wasn't the narrative on this sub. I mentioned the 4 key ideas this sub kept spouting during the season that represented the "Chasing wins." It was never about draft positions, it was always about playing the starters more minutes and playing more PnR and not playing beyond Baze/Paschall and perhaps Lee on the bench.
>JTA fit Kerr’s system like a glove but was never given a fair shake.
This is just revisionist history tbh. Everyone wanted JTA to be cut and now the coaching staff should have seen it from the beginning? Odd to me.
I think playing with offensive pace with the ball flying around is going to be key for us this year. If anything the first preseason game showed us we have the necessary high IQ and players to thrive in that kind of system. Last year was just shoving a square peg into a round hole.
Not having Oubre anymore makes such a big difference. I really thought we needed him but its clear how much of a pain he was than not. Glad he left.
We watched one NBA pre-season game against a team with no need for a defensive stopper like Oubre.
Did you just say Oubre is a defensive stopper? He has unbelievable athletic gifts but a terrible BBIQ on both sides of the ball.
You don't need to have a high BBIQ to play hard defense. Oubre did. He gambled too much and he would make mistakes but he was one of the best on ball defenders we had last year.
I really agree with this. I feel Oubre gives of the perception of being a great defender, whereas he is only average to good most of the times.
His physical abilities overshadow his lack of IQ.
He only had 2.2 DWS and a -0.6 DBPM last season. He averages 1 steal and less than a block per game. That isn't good for the price, esp considering he had a -1.5 offensive BPM and 0 (ZERO?) Offensive win shares. We can find better for cheaper. But I won't deny that having an athlete like him was better than playing the end of our bench.
Yeah. I'm no Oubre fan on the Warriors. Just saying he did fill a role for us.
Oubre didn’t look like he was doing a good job stopping Giddey the other night 🤷♂️
I didn't see but he was one of our best defenders last year.
Was Giddey even his assignment?
Giddey played like twice as many minutes as Oubre, so probably not in terms of minutes.
Iirc, Oubre got hurt.
Yup. Not only do the positions not match up but the minutes don't either. Nonsensical comment.
I’m both a rockets fan and warriors fan and today I was thinking who is better, Jordan Poole or KPJ? Try to be as unbiased as possible I’m genuinely curious.
rn its KPJ, could be either by the end of the season
I have no idea.
KPJ is a magical ball handler with the deceleration to keep opposing defenses on their toes the full 24 but his ability to shoot needs to catch up for him to fully capitalize on his gifts.
He’s a *solid* athlete with balletic footwork and a ton of finishing craft. Extensions, touch shot and goofy footed finishes are the norm.
He isn’t the strongest guard which hurts him when he can’t find a seam in the defense to slither into.
He’s made strides as a playmaker but I’m not sure if you want him churning out reads as the only initiator on the floor or absorbing 25%+ usage.
Poole is my son and I will kill a man for him.
He’s a better shooter by far, superb body control and touch around the rim, jitterbug in the HC which makes him a difficult cover on-ball while also having on-ball chops akin to a “Baby Curry”. Probably grades out as a poor defender right now but gives effort and on the right possession, against the right matchup he can be outright good.
I think he’s a better passer than KPJ personally but has never really been given the leash for heavy on-ball reps in a PnR system like Houston. As a rookie he looked like DLo in terms of his playmaking.
KPJ more talented. Poole a harder worker.
But with all these comps the question is who gets a high 30s 3pt shot first I think that will be Poole although KPJs passing is better and something Poole has to figure out.
KPJ is more talented but also is a head case. You can rely on Poole to play within an offensive system. Hard to really compare stats when one guy is playing on a tanking team and the other on a playoff caliber one.
Two different players. I think KP JR is the more talented player but trouble has always kept him behind.
Preseason games are not listed as any separate thread. And there is game 7pm today. Denver Nuggets vs GSW.
It's really interesting to me seeing us roll out these offensive dominated lineups when we know that Kerr prides his teams on defense. I mean one of his main goals for last year was a top 5 defense (which I'm pretty sure we had for a while but still got handled by Lakers and couldn't make the postseason). How many times last year did Kerr barely acknowledge great offensive play and instead highlighted the defense in post game? Now we are jacking up 69 threes (I know it's preseason). I think the roster construction plus the addition of Kenny is going to unlock a new iteration of Steve as a coach. As he said last year and I'm paraphrasing 'the coaching staff got stale'
We lost against the Lakers due to offence. We committed a bunch of sloppy turnovers and blew our lead. We were dominating in the defensive end then Matthews and Caruso came in forced like 6 turnovers in 7 possessions and made like 4 3s.
That's my point...
We honestly only have two bad defenders that will be in the rotation, poole and Bjelica and I’m sure Poole is gunna really try to get better at defense throughout the season
>e know that Kerr prides his teams on defense.
I think we can still be hounds on the defense end too
I sort of agree. I guess my point was that we had a good defense last year and it didn't mean shit without a functioning offense. This year could be more of a balancing of the two with more emphasis on scoring with moderately good defense. I really hope we pick up Avery or GP2 to keep that defensive intensity from last year
it’s been one preseason game but i’m not gonna hold back from being hyped. we’re reaching league fucked territory once Wise and Klay get back on the floor.
No one is talking about Looney nailing that midrange jumper to start last game.
This is a guy who took 1.5 3s per game in college while making 40% of them. I believe he was a higher ranked prospect than Devin Booker coming out of high school.
That elbow jumper will be open for him all day. Glad he's working on it a ton
Incoming Looney breakout season
Looney midrange is the new DLee and SDot 3-ball
He’s done a couple before but he always kind of stops doing them later in the season. I hope he gets it down because that’d be huge at drawing his defender away from the paint and opening up passing lanes
Last two seasons he came out shooting and missing so he stopped. Hopefully this year those shots fall because he can completely change the complexion of the game by making just 2 jumpers a game.
He's been doing it for a couple of seasons, even tried shooting the 3 last year.
It looked good but he's not gonna take them in high pressure games, I wouldn't be to hyped about it, everyone was letting fly from everywhere, it's just pre season.
(Even Simmons was taking 3's in pre season lol)
Need to see more of that from Loon. I was pleasantly surprised at how decisive he was on that jumper.
i’m really hoping this storyline with andrew wiggins and the vaccine can just die out already. he got the vaccine, so i just don’t see the point in bringing up this situation anymore.
Good news is - for us it's pretty much over.
Bad news is... our country is still being ravaged by a preventable disease and *many* stars of our favorite league are speaking out against the best way to stop it and making a continuing pandemic about their personal freedoms.
It will. Everything comes and goes.
I just hope it remains "private" for him after he got the jab. Hate for him to paint himself as the victim and start supporting anti vaxxers.
I too am done talking about it. That being said if he can convince other players, like Kyrie, to not get it, then that means they can't play which could be good for the Warriors or any other team that has to play their team. I mean Wiggins already got the vaccine so I have no problem with him. He can spread his opinion all he wants, that's his right.
That's why I don't understand ppl who still demand him to be traded
It’s gunna be something people talk about until the media runs out of things to post in that interview
I really thought it was over. When the hell did that new interview happen?
Wiggins has never been vocal about anything, and I hope this is not the thing that causes him to become one.
It's not a new interview. Quotes of the one from Monday just keep being posted in bits.
He keeps talking
Not a new interview the Media just gives out pieces at a time
God damn media.
Game day mood be like https://youtu.be/HvHqviVBioY
Very curious to see how efficient Poole will be tonight. Not expecting another 7/12 from three but can he go like 4/10? He was launching last game from tipoff with no hesitation so he clearly expects to take and make a lot of them. Also curious to see how he playmakes and rebounds today; how many of those 5reb and 5assts did he just walk into last game? Just how much did he really improve and are we looking at a 20+ppg scorer already?
Guessing its gonna be a love/hate relationship. Love him when he's hot and frustrating when he's cold.
We had Oubre last year. I can handle Poole
I need consistency tbh. I don't wanna get ahead of myself but I'm excited
3 assists to Belly, one of which was a pick-and-pop, 1 to Steph after drawing 3 defenders off a simple side pick-and-roll and the other I don’t remember.
All of his assists were valid and with our system individual assists are muted due to secondary and tertiary passes that come after the initial advantage is created.
Had at least two hockey assists
Going to the game tonight! Excited af!
Excited to catch vs the Nuggets tonight since it'll be on NBC Bay Area. Still the lamest thing ever that I missed the preseason opener because it was only on League Pass in the Bay.
Going down the roster list man we've upgraded in shooting.
Last year top 5 in order by 3PA/game were: Steph, JP, Wiggs, Oubre, Mulder. DLee came in 6.
This year projected top 5 imo: Steph, JP, OPJ, Wiggs, and probably either Bjelica or DLee rounds it out. Klay probably gets put in above JP when he comes back.
We finally have dudes who can shoot it at volume while being efficient, which is far more important than just 3P% alone. On paper we had a bunch of decent shooters last year. Baze, Mulder, DLee and JTA all shot really well by 3P%. Teams doubled and tripled Steph anyways because you can't rely on these dudes to make enough shots at volume. This year's spacing is going to be way different. Our volume 3P shooting aside from Steph got way better and our shooting depth also got way better. No more crappy lineups without enough shooters on the floor for this team.
Its definitely overlooked how stacked we are in the shooting department.
I don't think there's ever been a better shooting 5 than Curry, Poole, Klay, OPJ and Bjelica, then we have Lee and Wiggins at 38% (not gonna count Mulder, he's a fraud when it matters)
This team is the micro ball rockets 5.0, better shooting, size, playmaking, passing, IQ and defense, I honestly believe if healthy no team will be able to keep up with our firepower
Nets have 2 superstars and 3 historic shot creators.... They have a chance at the best offense ever.
Indeed, but when it comes to pure shooting we're definitely better.
Our players benefit more from the system too, out ball movement increases the sum of our parts, while the nets don't really benefit each other if they start taking turns playing iso.
Nets barely play iso, didn't you watch em?
Can bait them to play iso by switching everything like the rockets did to us
Since we're all pretty much Poole stans now, you guys might want to check out an IG page called "poole.wrld". He posts the JP highlights of every game and does a edit with music.
Have an authentic wiggins neon green jersey, I don’t really wear it would anybody want it? I don’t really need money but shipping + a donation to a charity would be cool.
Just did some research for a post I'm gonna throw to r/nba and r/nbatalk and r/nbadiscussion and jesus, Steph has been so dominant this decade.
Link when you post it
Check my post history!
How do yall feel about JP getting 15m/4 year extension? and if its possible maybe even re-signing wiggins to 15-20m a year too or let him walk to sign some solid bench pieces.
wiggins is not taking 15m lmfao, he'll get at least 20m-25m from someone
I’d do it if the 4th year isn’t fully guaranteed. That’s absolutely worth the risk. Wiggins would be an awesome deal at 15/20
Thats a fucking steal
We can't get let Wiggins walk, we're already over the cap, and we still are even without his contract iirc
There’s no way we sign him for 15m/4 if we are expecting a MIP/SMOTY year from him. Looneys contract is worth more than that. He will get AT LEAST 10+ a year
Im sure they meant 15 a year not total
We get nothing if Wiggins walks since we are over the cap. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
That’s why we did a sign and trade with Durant (to keep that 30+ million salary slot). The smart thing to do would be to either resign him or trade him for something to keep that slot. Maybe a sign and trade.
I would not be surprised if we kept him for as long as possible unless a great deal arises or a young guy beats him out of his starting spot.
The best move is to trade Wiggins expiring contract next year and get a star.
Sounds great in theory, but in practice seems like that might be a tad bit more difficult.
Might be but that's pretty much what the Bulls did with OPJ's contract to get Vucevic.
Who is a fraud of a star.
Well the Warriors presumably wouldn't be trading for Vucevic specifically, so that's not really relevant compared to his perceived value.
Although I think Vucevic would pair very well with Draymond, but that's another story.
But who would the Warriors be able to get? In theory there’s a star player that wants to come here who is making in the 30+ million range, but who actually fits that bill?
That’s the difficult part.
Luka and Zion would be making too little and Beal/Lavine would hard cap us. KAT and Lillard look like a good possibility, Simmons if he isn’t traded by then, Durant if the Nets somehow implode and both Kylie/Harden walk, Maybe Embiid if he gets mad at how the Simmons situation is handled, Maybe Donovan Mitchell if they crash and burn in the playoffs again, McCollum if Dame asked out, Tingus Pingus, BI, and Siakam. Those are the only guys making over 27 mil that make the slightest bit of sense to request a trade.
And also is a SF to replace wiggins.
Along with Wendell Carter and two first round picks including a lottery one from this year.
If we want to trade Wiggins, two first round picks (one of which is a lottery pick), and one of Wiseman or Kuminga, yeah we could probably net a pretty good player.. what type of superstar would we get though?
It wasn't guaranteed to be a lottery pick though, the thought at the time of the trade was that the Bulls with Vucevic would be a play-in team and a contender for a playoff spot. Not to mention Carter fairly or unfairly had developed a reputation as injury prone by the time of that trade.
Also, I dunno, that doesn't seem to me like an extreme price to pay.
nothing worth doing is easy. Big expiring contracts are very attractive to teams who want to rebuild. Will be much easier to trade him next year than this year. Plus Wiggin's ceiling looks to be maxed out. The youngsters need more playing time. Wiggins will be holding up the youth pipeline. Rather trade him than let a max contract expire.
Firstly You’re not getting a star back for Wiggins and keeping your “youth pipeline”.
Secondly how is Wiggins looking maxed out when he made marked improvements last season?
Warriors best bet is to resign Wiggins to a cheaper deal.
dude, not just Wiggins straight up, it'll need to be a package. Warriors didn't keep the max slot from the KD trade to let it go to waste. You can't trade for a star without a max slot or matching salaries PERIOD. There are plenty of players better than Wiggins, you don't need to be stuck on him.
There aren’t plenty of forwards better than Wiggins, especially ones that can move the needle in a real way.
And if you are going to trade him for a guard or center that probably means that Kuminga has ascended enough to take Wiggins’s spot, so that takes him off the table. So then you’re left with Moody and Wiseman and future picks.
And then again who’s going to be available that really moves the needle? KD won’t be. Kawhi? Giannis? Zion? Tatum? All seem unlikely. Brandon Ingram, Jermai Grant, M.Porter Jr? Not sure how much closer that gets you.
Yea I doubt we are waiting 3 more years for a title, the best opportunity to trade for a star is with wiggin's expiring contract. the young guys won't be ready.
I personally like Butler, a more aggressive Wiggins and does other things well as well. If we are keeping Wiggins its because we struck out on getting someone better. However, it doesn't have to be a small forward, we can get a SG as well if Klay is a step slow and needs to play small forward instead. And there's plenty of shooting guards who are likely better than Wiggins
I think the team is gonna let Poole run out his cheap years and then just sign him for the market rate when it's time (when his qualifying offer comes up). the contract will be more expensive, but it'll probably be overall cheaper to ownership given that the luxury tax will hit less hard when the Wiggins contract has run out. These things happen in the same offseason.
I'm curious to see what happens when Wiggins is up for a new deal. We have two full seasons to assess what value he has to the team, but if Poole and one or two other youngsters are worth serious extensions, I kinda think Wiggins may be out. I think he'll be more expensive than $20m at that point and the big three alone will be costing the team $123m that year.
Klays salary will be halfed. There is now way he will be earning as much as he does now unless he is 100% ( which he likely won't)
Klay is signed through 2024. He’ll be earning $43 million in his last year. Warriors gonna have to make decisions about Poole, Wiseman, Wiggins, and Draymond (I think) before then.
do all we can to keep JP and Wiseman locked in, im fine if it means losing Wiggins to do so
It's going to be closer to 18 million imo
It is so weird to see Wes ( who doesn't even cover the warriors) rant about how warriors were just throwing up threes instead if practising their offense. Like yeah we aren't a great team and likely finish outside top 5, but seeing that game how could you not see the offense type. Every other writer had so much to say about the gameplay and positives and one randomly ranting while not even following them
Wes fell off a cliff this season, really seems like he doesn't like the Warriors at all anymore. Seems like he's moving back to Florida to cover Miami sports so good for him. Hopefully we get someone more engaged to take over the pod
He tried to make the transition from reporter to analyst and came off as uninformed. I stopped listening to him when he was spent months telling everyone there was no chance the Warriors would select Wiseman (before making an abrupt 180).
Yes, everyone's wrong sometimes but wrong + whiny confidence = annoying to listen to.
Yea his draft takes were straight booty
I loved all of the 3s.
I think the Warriors are onto something.
Yea that guy doesn't really analyse Basketball, he is more of a news guy, and he is always ranting. Warriors may have simplified the offense a little bit but this is the first preseason game. Steph wasn't even hunting for his shots and was pass first the entire game. Even if they continue with the current model of other guys other than Steph and Klay taking volume catch and shoots, it will eventually lead to quality looks for Steph and Klay, same as Utah.
It's the same offense, even Kerr said it. Something like "I didn't tell them to shoot more 3's, they just found too many open looks due to the improved spacing"
Also it's obvious we brought the veterans who could play the kerr system and it was pretty much how the pre season match looked like. We weren't just hitting threes 2 sec in shot clock, we were actually passing the ball well and creating open looks. I think he is just being forced to run Locked on Warriors at this point of time.
Lmao huh? According to Joe Viray (who posts really good film breakdowns on twitter!), he said we were running pretty much the same basic sets we always do. Turns out they generate a lot of open 3s when it’s not just Steph vs the world….
Yeah, i love his breakdown. Feels like you are learning a bit of what happens in an NBA court
Man I'm starting to get good vibes that I haven't felt about this team in a long time. I really feel it's like the start of 2014-15 season again.
This is a very solid team who will feature 3pt shooting and high BBIQ.
This is going to be a great season. Klay coming back whenever is the cherry on top.
We've seen our vets jelled well in the game versus Portland. I want to see our young ones shine on tonight's game against Denver. Kuminga and Moody needs play with good looks hopefully they play with Draymond or Andre.
Asked this question before, but say it was time to renew Poole's contract now. How much money would he be getting? 15mil?
Right Now? Maybe 9-11 mil at best. If he does great this season? Around 14-18 mil
If he ends up averaging 20+/4/4 on good efficiency (50/40/80) it'll be hard to see him getting less than McCollum rookie extension money (4/100+). Sexton put up similar numbers and is angling for a max. Of course, this is the optimistic outcome based on Poole continuing to improve to a near all-star level.
Realistically, he'll end up with worse numbers (15/3/3) and good rather than elite efficiency (35-38 3p%) which will probably get around what Lonzo got (4/85)
Either way, it'll be interesting to see if the FO decides to keep him over Wiggs whose contract will be up at that time. Tax bill will be huge if they pay everyone.
Depends on how he performs and if last season wasnt just a hot stretch, if he can keep it up he'll get around between 10m-15m (his defense is just so bad its hard for him to be anything other than a 6th man rn, and he's also not that efficient as a scorer).
if he can get better offense and average 20+ on better efficiency while also not being a defensive liability he'll get a bigger bag.
Fultz got 3/50 which is probably an overpay but it's hard to see Poole getting 10-15 unless he takes a discount. I think Poole is a better player than Fultz atm.
Kyrie not being vaxxed makes the playoffs a whoooooole lot more interesting...