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RepresentativeOk6676

*Takes out earpiece* "Tired of this shit!"


jitterbug726

“Listen here, bitch, I’ve got an answer for you”


boogywumpy

I LOLed at this so hard 🤣


tom-slacker

*Ask the camera to be stopped* "Anyone not happy we go outside settle.."


larryzotter

>Takes out earpiece mourinho-disgust.jpeg


RepresentativeOk6676

Same energy


AlexHollows

Oh you should listen to all the other questions. This is far from the most troubling one. [Video 1](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSDF3OvhzL0/?utm_medium=copy_link) [Video 2](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSEzl9qpp1Q/?utm_medium=copy_link) [Video 3](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSHME02s2UJ/?utm_medium=copy_link) I would say the one on the CJ was one of the worst. Could sense that even Shanmugam was annoyed.


Kwazon

What's CJ?


puckout

He's the guy who just had to follow the damn train.


Kwazon

I see you are a man of culture as well


forzenrose

Chief Justice


Kwazon

Ooohhh. Thanks


jeemchan

Chief of Justice


Jammy_buttons2

Well there are 2 ways to think about it. 1. Don't let these ppl ask these questions and potentially clarify doubts at this level 2. Or let them go underground and start stirring


KOREANPUBLICSCHOOL

which one is the cj one


AlexHollows

Vid 3


DeliveryRider

Wow. Just....wow.


Eclairattack

I never really had much respect for Shanmugam until now, the way he handled those questions was impeccable. They were truly insulting questions yet he actually responded with calmly and politely to each. Also whoever green lit these questions should be fired.


Great_Environment381

>Also whoever green lit these questions should be fired. But why? If these questions are the sentiments on the ground, they should not be swept under the carpet. We often complain about how Ministerial Forums are sanitized and questions vetted, not revealing the true sentiments. When we do give the true sentiments, we want the ones who allowed these questions to be fired??


Flocculencio

I agree. Speaking as a minority (and someone who can't stand Shan) it's important that these sentiments are voiced out so that they can be argued against. The government has for too long pretended that everything is fine and dismissed the normalised current of racism in our society. It is only through initiatives like this that we can deal with racism. In fact I hope this continues and goes further so that people can't keep dismissing it as the sentiment of a few kooks or "the older generation".


revolusi29

People here only support freedom of speech and democracy when it is convenient for them.


Csyip

Or when it only benefits them


trashmaker

This.


Baby3334

That's the real dilemma because Singapore has been oppressing speech for so long when the most ridiculous and bigotted comments that others can make on Television and their media (not just social media) are given attention, but almost never in Singapore. In this specific instance, at least there's an opportunity to respond.


itsjoetho

Younhave to hear even the dumbest people, so you know where you stand. If you hide it away perception and reality are too far apart.


FitCranberry

pretty much what has become par for facebook comments


Eclairattack

I agree with you the sentiment but to me the people who asked these questions seem naive to the entire culture and history of modern Singapore. The fact that the zaobao staff didn't even realise/care that saying 'the majority feel that they're entitled to certain things just because they are the majority' comes across as privileged and ignorant at the same time. My point is yes we should share our true sentiments, but if those sentiments are coming from a place of willful ignorance and racial privilege should they even be given a response? You could argue that therefore the government needs to do more better educate those on racial harmony but I think the majority of these sentiments comes from the older generation, so really there is little that can be done by the government to remedy the situation.


Great_Environment381

>My point is yes we should share our true sentiments, but if those sentiments are coming from a place of willful ignorance and racial privilege should they even be given a response? If the true sentiments are reflective of a large group of people, I think it deserves a response. Its far more dangerous to allow such sentiments to fester underneath and think all is well in the community. Even if the proportion of ppl holding such views are only 20-30% of Chinese community, its a very significant group. Numerically, there would be 1 of such person for every Malay or Indian, and that affects the degree and frequency of racism or discrimination. And it is not as if these views don't already have a platform to be aired publicly. You see such comments on social media and EDMW. A response from establishment figures are important, rather than to sanitize the field for them to have a play date with grassroots.


Eclairattack

You make a good point about the established figure providing a response, you're right it is important for these opinions to be voiced so as to ensure a proper response can be given. I was wrong to suggest they shouldn't be voiced, I guess it is just really disheartening that such a high number of people think this way.


LookAtItGo123

Yes they should be given a level headed response that is good enough to make them think about their point of view. Otherwise you'll just be reinforcing conspiracy nut jobs that will go, govt cannot answer, they must be hiding this or that fact, therefore earth is flat. And govt is lying.


HistoricalPlatypus44

They should be allowed to say what they feel. And we should be allowed for damn them for being bad humans.


PavanJ

Whomever green lit these questions should be praised for not censoring the true nature of on the ground sentiment. Minster handled the questions very well and at least he will able to gauge the sentiment better.


Cubyface

There’s a lotta hate for him on r/sg, which I don’t really get because the man is really doing his job (MinLaw) quite competently.


rekabre

I feel like he draws that kinda response whenever there's a new video of him speaking in Parliament with that condescending tone that you get from him sometimes. "Attack dog" mode as another comment put it. Outside of the Parliament context, he really sounds a lot more measured, in comparison.


barall896

He's a very, very smart guy who plays his role well. He just comes across as an arrogant asshole a lot of the time.


thinkingpanda

He’s hated here because this sub is anti-PAP, and he’s seen as PAP’s attack dog. But he does many positive things which this sub always tends to overlook. E.g. he’s very vocal about animal rights and is one of the only politicians (PAP or opposition) that publicly engages with LGBT groups.


forzenrose

He's hated because he engages in [stupid attacks](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/shanmugam-question-about-pritams-support-for-alfian-a-legitimate-one) on people's characters, among other things. He has earned his rep as PAP's attack dog. He is capable, and can be right at times, but that does not mean he can't be an asshole.


KOREANPUBLICSCHOOL

i think you're overstating the anti-papness


aviationlad

Is he though? It is a fact that this subreddit is very Pro-Opposition. Even myself.


gydot

You can paint me as pro opp but what shan said on this matter I back it 100%


KOREANPUBLICSCHOOL

this sub is definitely pro opposition, but i don’t think the sub is anti pap, meaning the sub doesn’t shit on pap unfairly or without reason do you think this sub treats the pap unfairly?


BEaSTGiN

They're not pro-opp, they're anti-govt lol. They're "pro-opp" because there's only 2 choices.


KOREANPUBLICSCHOOL

sure, lets go with that. more importantly, do you feel that this sub treats the govt unfairly?


BEaSTGiN

Me? Well, I don't agree with everything the government does. I expressed a couple of views that get downvoted, but they're not an expression of my unwavering support towards the government. For example, I approved of tracetogether, even the CPC, and the cameras, but not being able to enter homes without warrant, and their covid response is shit. It's almost as if you can't agree with something the government does without implying you're a shill or agree with everything else they do.


trashmaker

Absolutely yes, and it's only getting worse.


meta4_

There's a fair few wakeupsingapore intellectuals around


KOREANPUBLICSCHOOL

agree that theres a few nutjobs in this sub overall, based on voting patterns, do you feel this sub is treating the incumbent unfairly/unreasonably?


trashmaker

I'm pro-government but I also follow and support most of wakeupsingapore's content. Our political landscape isn't so binary.


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Great_Environment381

>Also why Palmer tio axed for extra marital affair but someone didnt? Both Palmer and David Ong, had affairs with woman associated with the grassroots. And in both cases, they were exposed to media by people close to the women. For most parts of what is accused of "someone", there really hasn't been any substantial evidence that has been made public.


wildcard1992

I very strongly disagree with his stance on drugs, but I like how he handled this Q&A


butilikewaffles

On the contrary, these questions should most definitely be heard as it represents sentiments that some Chinese Singaporeans truly hold.


lkc159

>Also whoever green lit these questions should be fired. No. That person did a good job. Much rather these sentiments be addressed out in the open rather than hidden underground and festering. Also, best way to make sure such issues like these get to those who can do something about it.


QuavoRuinedCulture3

>I would say the one on the CJ was one of the worst. Could sense that even Shanmugam was annoyed. He looked like he died a bit on the inside tbh


theviperpanda9655

No 3 is the worst. How can you even fathom to ask such a question. They got in based on merit obviously. How about they ask about the mostly 'Chinese' ministers in the taskforce and their largly bungled handling of Covid this year. Why are there so many of them?


zet19

Respect for Shan with how he handled this QnA. The fact that these questions are asked shows that there is a percentage in the majority who feel that they're entitled to certain things (aka privilege) just because they are the majority. I wouldn't be surprised if the same people are criticising Malaysia for their racial policies while asking for the same thing here.


Great_Environment381

Well, about 50-60% of PRs and New Citizens in the last 20 years, are from Malaysia of which 90% are Malaysian Chinese. So, you shouldn't be surprised, that some of those who were affected by the New Economic Policy, wants to effect something similar in Singapore, which they can greatly benefit from, while enjoying the yearly Balik Kampung trips


dori_lukey

I'm a Malaysian Chinese and I'm a PR in Singapore. On the contrary, it's because of my experiences back in Malaysia that made me emphatise with some of the challenges the minorities face in Singapore and I do not wish for Malaysia's apartheid policy to be instituted in any state or form anywhere in the world.


Pioneerremix

Mate as a Singaporean malay, I seriously hate how bad & racist the policies are in Malaysia. Am ashamed that I'm even the same ethnicity as them, seeing how terribly the politicians handle everything there. And yeah, as someone who's a minority here I definitely empathise with you guys. As much as I've faced problems here being a minority, you guys have it way worse there. And I'd rather be where I am rn than the reverse. Hope your stay in Singapore has been pleasant thus far :)


Scarborough_sg

Growing up in half malaysian household with relatives on the other side mostly being UMNO members, I second that. It's a reality that we Malays must be wary and not fall into the same traps and rhetoric that Malay nationalism espouses or else we are just doing musical chairs of racism and majority privilege. And much more pity for Indians, getting called pendatang and drunkards up north and now getting called CECA over here.


unmadebutselfmade

felt uncomfortable seeing our young sg malays commenting tanah melayu in the vids that reposted this dialogue on tiktok


Scarborough_sg

Tanah Melayu but once they get a taste of Jakim breaking into hotels or into their house for maksiat prevention then they know what that entails.


unmadebutselfmade

haha


HistoricalPlatypus44

A necessary pain. This is why an open forum fosters a better society. Let’s face it, this nation hasn’t always done right by them, a sense of alienation is understandable. We should find out the cause of this sentiment and attempt to resolve it. A just society is measured by how it takes care of it’s weakest and disadvantaged.


unmadebutselfmade

true²


QuavoRuinedCulture3

You're a good one, but many Malaysian Chinese I have interacted with have the opposite mindset. "I have been stepped on as a minority back home, now it's my turn to step on minorities."


cowbungaa

>about 50-60% of PRs and New Citizens in the last 20 years, are from Malaysia of which 90% are Malaysian Chinese. So, you shouldn't be surprised, that those who were affected by the New Economic Policy, wants to effect something similar in Singapore It's always easy to push the blame to other people. Because local born and bred Singaporeans could never possibly hold such beliefs, right?


Great_Environment381

I didn't say Singapore born cant hold such views espoused by the question submitter. I was specifically referring to the part, where some of these ppl criticise Malaysia's NEP. We can't always assume anyone that criticises Malaysia is a Singapore born, when there are some Malaysian PRs and NC, who may have an axe to grind with Malaysia


cowbungaa

>We can't always assume anyone that criticises Malaysia is a Singapore born Plenty of Singaporeans have criticised Malaysia's preferential treatment of bumiputeras. In fact this was one of the major reasons that led to separation. >there are alot of Malaysian PRs and NC, who have an axe to grind with Malaysia Yes, it's well known that Malaysian Chinese dislike the NEP. But it's an illogical leap, especially in the absence of evidence, to say that they would then ask for a similar policy (like the one in the video) to be implemented in Singapore.


zet19

That's the thing though. When they come here they're instantly in the majority. Chinese, trilingual at the least, most likely wouldn't demand a higher salary compared to locals (unless they're citizens). They're like the ideal employees for local companies. Just being here and working a decent job is a huge benefit for them and their families. I honestly don't see a need for them to work behind the scenes to enact some type of policy here.


QuavoRuinedCulture3

>Chinese, trilingual at the least, Not at all. Most Malaysian Chinese in SG can barely speak English. Because contrary to what many believe, we have never been able to attract the best and brightest of Malaysian Chinese (or any other nationality for that matter), we get Mandarin educated bumpkins.


Great_Environment381

I'm referring to those who are PRs and New citizens. They would feel that they have a stake in how Singapore society and policies are shaped. Imagine a Mqlaysian PR who only wants to send her child to a Chinese school, and if SAP schools are abolished or made to admit Indian/Malay students, she is left with no choice but to send her child to Foon Yew High School in JB, instead of Catholic High School in Singapore. If she feels a Singapore education is superior, she would feel she has a stake in the SAP schools debate, even if she don't intend to become a Singapore Citizen ever. Your arguement would be true for those on WP and EP.


revolusi29

You do know there are many types of Malaysian Chinese right? A large majority of Malaysian Chinese do not study in a Chinese school for their secondary education.


Great_Environment381

The majority of Singapore Chinese are not racist. That doesn't mean the minority of those who are, don't make a dent in our multi-racial society that wants to have harmonious relations. That applies for Malaysians who have taken up PR/Citizenship here too. A minority of those Malaysians who hold chauvanist view because they were subjected to it back in Malaysia, brings Singapore to no where. We would be fools to dismiss them as insignificant, when actually they spew such poison time to time, enough for such views to land on the laps of a Minister


revolusi29

what evidence do you actually have to prove that msian chinese are bringing in chinese chauvinism? ​ Most Chinese chauvinist I know detest Singapore for it's use of English instead of Mandarin. They wouldn't want to take up SG citizenship. The ones that do are the bananas and the ones that worship English


DatAdra

Did you ever actually meet someone like this before, or is it just an imaginary situation (i.e strawman)? I am Malaysian Chinese PR and none of my many many Malaysian chinese friends feel this way, if anything we're just immensely grateful to have the chance to a better life here and none of us want to enact revenge on another race.


Great_Environment381

I'm taking that just as an example, to show how some PRs can skew public debate sometimes, because they benefit out of a system, be it the SAP school, the HDB policies or the leniency of not revoking PR despite being a PR for more than 10/20 years. >none of us want to enact revenge on another race. Yet, we see bad actors initiating WhatsApp messages dripping with poison. These ppl may be a minority. But 20% of 350,000 Malaysia born PR/New Citizens, is still quite significant number, who can be spreading poison thru social media and closeted racist mindset.


mrwagga

Wow, you managed to parlay racist ideas into xenophobic ideas. 👍🏻


slurymcflurry2

Uh if u consider balik kampung a luxury, u should go and compare it to the holidays that non-pr people are having. It's one of the cheapest "holidays" and the people who do this are usually only doing this balik kampung, no other travels. The most common holiday that I hear locals have is Japan or Korea. That's at least 5 times more costly than a trip of the same length to kampung (I say kampung because for some it's not Malaysia, it could be other neighboring countries). Source: am one such individual.


Great_Environment381

I didn't mean Balik Kampung as a form of luxurious holiday. I meant it as a home away from home context, which I thing is a luxury nonetheless. To be able to work in a city and return to quiet countryside, is a luxury anyone born in a big country have.


slurymcflurry2

And that's got nothing to do with monetary privilege. You can go to the same place as you please. It's not like you cannot. There are no restrictions on where you want to go or how you spend your holidays. People like me go back when there are errands to run, dude. It's by far, not even a holiday.


revolusi29

oh fuck off. The number of New Citizens from Malaysia is so small that it has no way of swaying public sentiment.


ChinaWine_official

That's not true at all. We have consistently taken in new citizens at about 20k per year since the 1990s all the way to last year. The stats are all published. Given that 20k citizens per year, over 30 years, that would be 600k new citizens. And since most of them are PRCs or Malaysian-Chinese (by government's own admission), then it is not an insignificant number. You only really need a handful to be vocal racists such that these questions come out.


revolusi29

you are making the assumption that they are a monolith


MiloGaoPeng

Never underestimate the might of words for the pen is mightier than the sword isn't it? Case reference [here](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/pm-seeks-damages-from-toc-writer-in-malaysia-for-defamation): where **words** from a few individuals had a certain sway in public opinion. Writers from TOC? Where are they from? What motives do they have in writing about Singapore's politics?


Great_Environment381

So small??? Did you analyse the Singapore census 2000, 2010, 2020 and household census 2005 &2015? If you did, than you are being wilfully ignorant to the large numbers. I'll [share the 2020 census](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/oejhaw/no_pr_data_by_nationalities_as_it_would_create/h471dnb?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3). You can do your own calculation based off 2000 census.


gydot

anyone got full video? what the fuck is this question man. Repeat after me. Might does not equal right. Edit: If might (majority) equals right, nothing the PAP does will ever be wrong. If might equals right, anything China/India says should be taken as the law because hey they make up the bulk of humanity.


boogywumpy

Check his instagram. He posted it.


houganger

As a Chinese sgean, I feel ashamed that this question is asked


coolbakerguy97

the stupid bitch doesnt represent your race. you don't have to feel ashamed on her behalf.


MiloGaoPeng

And seriously if they think that Chinese people don't feel uncomfortable about such issues, then they're wrong. It's like knn, whole of our lives, we're first Singaporeans, then our individual race - and now Chinese majority gets the spotlight, and being discriminated and accused that cb we have this kinda Chinese privilege mentality underneath. Hellow? A few black sheep don't represent all of us. Bear this in heart, we proudly first Singaporeans, before anything else. I daresay no Chinese would want foreigners to think they're mainlanders from China. Would SIngaporeans Malays proudly say they're Singaporeans? Or would rather be Malaysian Malays? Same with India Indians vs Singaporean Indians. We do what we can to help each other within this country, but don't point the knife at someone else just because you feel hurt. Go Team Singapore.


Key-Cartographer3013

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSJtj8fJ4/


Frootysmothy

It's a very valid question. Lots of Singaporeans hold this sentiment. She asks it so Shanmugam can call out the bullshit. It's pretty obvious she doesn't believe it herself.


redditalb

Can this interview session be found on YouTube? What is this session called, so that I can search it up myself. Thanks!


dontalkaboutpoland

Someone posted additional clips of it above. More questions are available in Shanmugham's insta page.


rekabre

Aunty: "Chinese Singaporeans -- the largest group in Singapore -- are now asked to be sensitive to the minority..." Also Aunty: Wdym I have privilege bcos I'm Chinese!?


machopsychologist

I think the aunty here is just the host of the panel. She is reading questions off chat.


Elephant789

What chat were they posted to? Do all questions posted must include a name?


trashmaker

There are a lot of people who think this way, including young people.


Elephant789

I wonder who they learn this from?


Oddment0390

But according to aunty, she is not privileged because she doesn't get extra lontong at the Malay stall!


Pioneerremix

Lol. Ok yeah have to admit if you sweet talk some of the makciks at the stalls, may get some freebies


buttnugchug

But we dont apply that reasoning to heterosexual vs homosexual.


Pioneerremix

Good point


worldcitizensg

Seriously.. It's not at all a good sign one of the singaporean thinking along the lines. This thought itself is scary and end of singapore as we know


bilbolaggings

I'm not surprised, just disappointed.


alterise

Me too… 😔 In a way, I feel like this has been a long time coming. Singapore needs to come to face to face with the fact that a not insignificant portion of its people are disgusting racists who have only remained hidden because we’ve chosen not to talk about it.


milo_peng

Government let everyone drink the kool-aid and they also drink themselves and believe that all is well among the races.


nellynai

The “success” of Singapore education.


Mattdumdum

One of the Singaporeans? She probably holds a view that many keep but don't necessarily disclose.


FitCranberry

eh, the more people know where they live, the better hope for active change


khiladi-

Her next question? > Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other five?


SaltyShellback

I think Monica have already eaten them all


cuntaliefondant3435

She makes it seem like being asked to be sensitive to those around you is an unreasonable request lol. Like shit, I just assumed that it was just fundamental human decency to be sensitive to those around you.


butilikewaffles

So much for Singapore being a shared multiracial multiculturalism state huh.


FitCranberry

the message is pushed exactly because the society isnt, its a long term project that many mistake for as being done


Mattdumdum

Since when has this been true? Maybe way before in kampung times?


KampongFish

The fuck are you on about? Do you literally know *nothing* about Singaporean history? Did you flunk social studies? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964\_race\_riots\_in\_Singapore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_race_riots_in_Singapore) Sit the fuck down you edgy YP shit. This riot is one of the fundamental reason why Singapore is pursuing racial tolerance and harmony. Dont mock the history you don't know shit about when you can't even identify progress for what it is. What a dumb fucking take. Older people are the ones you can't trust to not be racist if anything.


FitCranberry

yeah when they were doing the marketing for pioneer and merdeka, you could always point to 1964 and ask them what was up with that


Great_Environment381

I am actually glad Zaobao, did not censor or sanitize the questions, and pose to the Minister as they were submitted. There are still ppl who argue that Chinese Privilege doesn't exist. But what this question essentially is saying is, "we are the majority. We deserve to maintain our hold on our Privilege. How dare you ask us to give it up?" I'm waiting for all the naysayers of Chinese Privilege to stand up, and say if it still don't exist.


pingmr

Of two minds on this. While I can agree that yes these thing should be reflected, not all views get this benefit. Countervailing views, such as views critical of Chinese Privilege have long been suppressed. Sure it is good that Chinese Privilege as a term is now being discussed openly, but this is after a long period of minority voices being silenced for the sake of "racial harmony". In fact, I think Shan himself once remarked at some point that the Government's policy on "letting these questions be aired" is that it is naïve to think that simply airing these views will solve anything, because public discourse is not going to be able to resolve sensitive racial issues. This is why speech on race is regulated. What this means is that, it is great that these questions were posed by Zaobao, but in some ways that in itself seems to be a privilege that other groups will not have.


moshumaiike

wasnt a fan of shan before but thanks for the masterclass on how to address what is clearly chinese privilege lol


Fizzifish

So…. I guess they may have been right when they said singaporeans are not ready for a non Chinese PM?


botsland

Yea. If some Singaporeans are not ok renting out to an Indian person, what makes you think they are willing to accept a non-chinese PM


Fizzifish

Agreed. But I think it’s good to that these questions are out in the public regardless of how disgusting/stupid they are. Instead of pretending everything is fine.


Battleraizer

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSDF3OvhzL0/?utm_medium=copy_link The full 10mins is truly disturbing


DeliveryRider

Yes it is...


Battleraizer

How can dis 🅱️ allow?


LobsterAndFries

Cheebye this was how the bloody maria hertogh riots started. Can we not?


rzhaganaga

This idea is more troubling and worrisome given that the government stand on maintaining racial balance ie. minorities should stay within a certain proportion of the population at any given time.


pingmr

Say there is Chinese privilege in Singapore without saying "there is Chinese Privilege in Singapore"


Oddment0390

They're good at that aren't they..."majority blindspot" "majority privilege".


Pioneerremix

Why would you forward the question to a minister who is clearly not from the majority? What kind of answer are you expecting???


beno9444

Whoever asked that question is so malaysian thinking. Just look at how they've become, the majority regardless qualified or not get the benefits and the rest suffer, I work with so many malaysian, so many far talented than me even but not given the opportunity because they are the minority. This is not how singapore works.


Pioneerremix

Exactly. This is exactly what we'll become if we pursue that direction


siracla

Have we not been over this already? We left Malaysia because of policies like this and these regressive apes want to bring it back smh


gydot

When he brought up us leaving Malaysia it was a choke slam already.


dontknowwhattodoat18

First world country and one of the most developed in the entire of SEA everyone!


_addhawk

oh believe me, it can get a lot worse than that :(


dontknowwhattodoat18

So much for smart nation amiright


versaknight

it can get a lot better as well.


AidilAfham42

"Is it better if we were Nazis?"


DeliveryRider

No comment.


wahahahau

What the actual f


Sodapiaaa

This is the nicest shan I’ve ever seen.


Jeff_98

why does this question sound awfully like what Malaysian ministers would say (and agree to)....


toepopper75

There are always these racist asshats. What's important is to respond to them. Shan's response is appropriate, given his position. I think Shan would love to say "you want to be Malaysia arh, you just look north see what this kind of LJ attitude gets you." He can't, but we can. As private citizens, we have the luxury of treating such questions with the contempt they deserve.


deangsana

wad was his answer tho


istaris

[https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSEzl9qpp1Q/?utm\_medium=copy\_link](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSEzl9qpp1Q/?utm_medium=copy_link) Shanmugam's instagram containing his reply


CSlv

You know, I may not agree with his statements sometimes, but my god that is one tactful way to respond to this loaded question. A+


Nhorin

Lol who greenlit this shit? The way he took out the earpieces was so "sick of this shit"


KUNNNT

The audacity to ask this question, to a minister nevertheless, just shows straight up entitlement & privilege of the individual. What sort of life are you living to have such mentality? It really boggles my mind...


jammy77

Pretty disturbing and quite a WTF moment that an actual minister in a democracy was asked this.


QuestioingEverything

Wonder how would they react if a non Chinese became PM


onpensetousmonnaie

Paraphrasing, but when he says around the 6:20 mark, "where would we be as a country if we kept highlighting race in every incident/crime/news item?", isn't this exactly where we are? no video uploaded to youtube, no facebook comment, no mothership article (quality content, i know) fails to mention the race(s) of the people referenced in that content. And this (I think) is driven by the fact that the country is so conscious about race. Even the banks ask what my race is - why?! Also, if someone can help me understand LKY's attitudes towards race and their influence on policy, I'd be very grateful.


trevorleong

Shanmugan be like: "Listen here you little shit"


imalwayssadbutitsok

stupid question


EconomyIndependence2

Oh no allowing these sentiments of entitlement (not even privilege) to fester will fuck us over


FitCranberry

keep promoting tribalism, dont be shocked at the results


raymmm

I have some ideas. Let us bottom 51% vote to take take the assets from the top 49% cos we are the majority and we get to make decisions! Oh and since Buddhism is the majority religion, let vote to oppress the christians. See how sometimes majority rule can be dumb?


Frootysmothy

This was a damn good question. A lot of the majority hold this sentiment. She puts it out into the public and lets shanmugam call them out on their BS. Best question IMO. I highly doubt she believes this herself


buttnugchug

My question. Why do you not apply the same reasoning you use for racial minorities to sexual minorities?


Great_Environment381

You do know, that he is the only Minister, who actively engages the LGBT community right?


buttnugchug

But refuses to change 377a. That law is as good as saying 'Make Islam illegal but we dont prosecute people who practise Islam'


Afraidofdownvotes0

Ya as if he can single handedly change the law ^^/s That's not what a law minister is


buttnugchug

If Parliament changes a law, PAP will seek his advice


butilikewaffles

He's not the gatekeeper of a change in law


Great_Environment381

And when Parliament had a discussion on the repeal of 377A, he wasn't even a Minister.


Scarborough_sg

Funny you should say that considering the Malay muslim community is another barrier, most would expect their Malay Muslim MPs to at least abstain or even reject any amendment to repeal.


mrwagga

Zaobao to forum letter writer and op-ed panel: Hold my beer 😂 Is Zaobao trying to break Shanmugam?


DeliveryRider

[Scroll and read through the comments in this link.](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSJtFtEVs/)


cookiemonstajane

wow..just wow. i didn't listen to the entire convo but just this one qns, shouldn't the majority dictate the direction...just wow.. like how? How are you allowed to be born? and live? and walk? and talk?


Ok-Science-2085

Dumbass questions from a rubbish paper.


dravidan7

this zaobao keep getting involved in a lot of racist incidents since start of covid.............


buttnugchug

Ok let's put it another way. What shanmugam is speaking here is in his capacity as a representative of the PAP government, right? So I'm asking why doesnt the pAP use the same anti majoritarian, pro diversity thinking on race on sexuality?


Ok-Science-2085

Ya whos this bitch? Zaobao reporter?


tinyredleaf

I think some clarification of the context of the forum is required. A lot of hate is being poured on the Zaobao reporters for asking such apparently ignorant and insensitive questions, but I note that this is a Reach-Zaobao Dialogue. Is it not possible that the moderators are picking up questions from readers and putting them to Mr Shanmugam? Yes, we ought to be disturbed by these questions and what they imply. Personally, I'm not surprised. There has always been a fair amount of racial chauvinism among the Chinese majority. But like Lawrence Wong had pointed out a few weeks back, it's not entirely accurate to paint this as "privilege" either. The better, and more accurate, way to think of it is simple majority advantage — and that's something all multi-racial and multi-religious societies have to tackle and come to terms with.


illEagle96

Black south Africans didn't have the majority advantage


pingmr

>Personally, I'm not surprised. There has always been a fair amount of racial chauvinism among the Chinese majority. But like Lawrence Wong had pointed out a few weeks back, it's not entirely accurate to paint this as "privilege" either. The better, and more accurate, way to think of it is simple majority advantage The Chinese are the majority in the context of Singapore. Just call a spade a spade - Chinese privilege, Chinese advantage. I'm not sure if I could illustrate privilege better than assuming a right to decide on the direction of the whole country.


PusheenDrop

It's possible these outrageous questions are asked to observe the reaction. The questioner may obviously know it's wrong, but getting to know the reaction and answer can tell a lot about the answerer.


loveforlandlords

Replace the word “minority” with LGBT and it suddenly becomes okay


Great_Environment381

We are fighting the same battles, same structures. Only the nomenclature changes. Not sure when folks from minority race and LGBT community gonna finally understand that and act in unity.


loveforlandlords

Yeah agree, LGBT are facing the same plight but somehow it's okay


matachivelli

All this deflection is just taking attention away from the topic at hand.


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pingmr

Nothing particularly new since Donald Low has left the service for a long time now. You can got to Donald's fb page where most of this information is public.


very_bad_advice

\*note\* Everything here is hearsay and I will not be able to prove otherwise \*note\* This is a complicated story, and mixes personal, political and professional loyalty and betrayal of that loyalty. Donald Low is pro-WP and was helping WP back in the days he was in the Admin Service, Director in MOF and PSD, and if you know his age, to be Director in Admin Service, his CEP is Perm Sec. How he helped was via consults, pushing his pro-social agenda, crafting questions etc. I can see it from both viewpoints how he might think it a minor thing, and how his Minister Shanmugan would feel it a betrayal. There should be a Chinese wall between the civil service and the party politics. But of course from his viewpoint he might already construe that he has the discipline to separate his personal and professional life. OR he might have lied when presented with accusation He wasn't fired per se, but instead transferred to CSC, which means he wouldn't make his CEP, and in other words exiled. He resigned from the CSC, and for some reason Shanmugan helped him find a new job in LKYSPP. My guess is that Shan hoped that that personal favor would have just allowed bygones be bygones and Donald to keep his head low and one day just replace KM as dean when the time came - of course KM resigned due to a story for another day and DL never got the chance due to his resignation from LKYSPP I actually don't know why he was fired, or resigned from LKYSPP, but it probably has to do with the anger Shanmugan has towards him because he views him as ungrateful because he has been critical of some of Shan's statements. Remember he was forced to issue 2 apologies to Shan in recent years. To me their beef is personal, however both probably have justified that the beef has some professional justification. To say it is dishonesty is exaggerating, but there is some basis in that characterization. \*I'm piecing this together from what I know have been public statements and word on the street, and the story doesn't come from some biography etc.\*


TheKannadaGuy

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