[ESPN] Los Angeles Angels' Shohei Ohtani becomes first All-Star picked as pitcher, position player
By - ECav252752
First All-Star to do both since 'Tungsten Arm' O'Doyle of the 1921 Akron Groomsmen, of course.
I still say he should be rotting in hell for throwing at the head of Righty "Lefty" O'Hoolihan of the Rochester Fancy Fools
I never did quite understand why they nicknamed him that when he was, in fact, a right-handed player.
It’s ironic. Like calling a tall man “Shorty” or a bulky man “Slim”
In some countries people like to be ironic in nicknaming people. My cousin is hideous but named “pretty boy”
Yeah, my parents call me “success”!
Well to be fair he got into a kerfuffle with O'Doyle's teammate Tim "Four-Toothed" Callahan before that game so it makes sense based on the time, still fucked tho.
Ebenezer "Scrooge" McDuff of the Springfield Methodical Teapots.
So does it count as two appearances? Cuz bonus money!
I already made a joke about getting paid as a pitcher and batter combined in arbitration.
Now he's getting 2 all-star appearances per year as well.
At the very least he'll get a better contract
If not, he'll definitely add that to his next contract.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN SEATTLE KRAKEN HISTORY
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Also the first offensive lineman in NFL history.
Let's get one going:
I'm surprised there aren't more copypastas about this guy.
Let's keep it going:
I'm surprised there aren't more copypastas about this guy.
I've surmised that there aren't enough copypastas about this guy.
I really wonder how long Ohtani has to do this till teams start considering two-way players more.
If he can keep this up at least 1 or 2 more years being an elite hitter and half-way decent pitcher, its only a matter of time till we see more teams experiment.
Well first there needs to be more players that actually can play both ways good lol
Jared Walsh failed at it but it's ok because he's an all star now
Alex Verdugo wanted to keep pitching but they didn't let him pitch in the minor leagues. Dude throws some heat too
Didn't he get someone out at home on like a mid 90s throw from the outfield?
I mean fuck it let him be a bullpen arm too. Probably better than what we have
I feel like its not that uncommon you get minor leaguers who can do both but are forced to choose. I just wonder if teams are going to be more willing to give them a little more lee-way to try both going forward.
Some players absolutely end up feeling forced into just one role but these players are not putting up the numbers, let alone showing the potential, that Ohtani has. It's one thing to be a middling RP while also being an average CFer and a whole other kettle of fish to be leading the bigs in HR. It really is more of a supply problem than a demand one.
True, but I wonder if there's a place for some bench utility guy who has like a 4-5 era who can be used in bullpen / out of hand games but can also be serviceable in a fielding spot while also maybe being able to hit above or around the Mendoza line.
I feel like its sorta a self fulfilling prophecy at this point, pitchers are bad hitters -> therefore they dont practice hitting -> Therefore pitchers are bad hitters. Someone like Ohtani can maybe change that thinking a bit.
Or not and hes a once and a lifetime talent that can never be reproduced. Who knows at this point.
Yeah, like Brett Phillips! Seriously though, it will be interesting to see if Ohtani's performance causes clubs to reassess how rosters are constructed in the future.
I don't think you realize how hard it is to be even average at a major league level at either thing. Brenden McKay, just a couple years ago, was the best hitter in college baseball and a top 5 pitcher at the same time. He couldn't make the adjustment to hit in the minors and he's barely hanging around as a pitcher. And this guy was ELITE in college.
Ye obviously its hard, but also gotta keep in mind they dont need to be ohtani level elite, i said it elsewhere but what if they can be a 4-5 era pitcher and are also able to play utility positions around the field while not being a black hole on offense?
A lot of back end bullpen guys are already around that in ERA and I dont think its impossible a utility position player could replicate that themselves on top of adding value elsewhere.
Not to mention it isnt exactly a do or die situation, if it doesnt work out you can just have them specialize anyway.
But you’re not gonna find a lot who are great at both lol. McKay tried for rays and idek where he is right now
I think McKay was injured so he didn't pitch last year, but he might be coming back.
He’s being rehabbing a shoulder injury since last July. He might end up being ready to play again next month, maybe. No idea if he’ll keep hitting, there’s been like no info about him this year.
Exactly. If Ohtani had played college ball in the US, he probably would’ve been forced to pick in the minors. The only reason he was given this opportunity at the major league level is because he already proved he could do it in Japan.
I don't see why they wouldn't try. It's valuable just in the sense that you get that extra roster spot.
There have been a small handful like Michael Lorenzen and Brooks Kieschnick. Rick Ankiel probably could have done it before he got the yips.
I'm sure there have been a few other guys over the years who could have done it but their teams wouldn't let them, but for the most part I think Ohtani is just an extreme outlier and there won't ever be many players with his skill set.
[Rick Ankiel was a pitcher for St. Louis who couldn't throw strikes suddenly. Then he developed into an outfielder.](https://news.stlpublicradio.org/show/st-louis-on-the-air/2017-04-20/former-st-louis-cardinals-pitcher-turned-outfielder-rick-ankiel-reflects-on-pressures-of-mlb-play)
Dude could throw a strike to home plate from anywhere on the diamond except the pitcher’s mound.
I remember that Hunter Greene made the Sports Illustrated cover with the title ''Baseball Lebron or the new Babe?'' and I still wonder why the Reds decided to focus him on a pitching role.. Anyone knows why?
that’s improper grammar. The correct term is “gooder”
On one hand, that would be cool to have a cultural shift like that.
On the other hand, Ohtani only does what he does because he’s elite at both. If he was a mediocre or even slightly above average batter, he would probably be a full time pitcher instead and Vice versa.
That's why they should be considered more, though. A guy that can be above average at both has extra value because he only takes up one roster spot.
Would you rather have one 5-6 win player, or two 2-3 win players?
One 5-6 win player. Because the other player will likely add value, too.
What are the odds of hitting 30HRs a season while throwing 100mph with lethal accuracy. I know, it's one in a century.
It's not like superheroes grow on trees. Last one since was Bo Jackson/Deion 30 years ago (not at the all star level) and before that Babe Ruth
I agree with you here, whenever you see a position player pitching you'll always hear that they pitched in high school or college, I could see it being more common I'd like it to be but I'm not sure if it will be
Ohtani is a unicorn. I think teams would be willing to give players the opportunity if they showed they'd be able to do both at an elite level. But you already have guys like Michael Lorenzen, who is a fine player but not near Shohei on either end, and a few years ago you had Hunter Greene and Brendan McKay come up in the same draft, but both ended up having to choose one or the other. I imagine if they were good enough to keep playing two ways, they could have forced the issue, but there's a huge gap between being good enough to do it in high school and being good enough to do it as a pro
Unless I missed something, I think Michael Lorenzen is trying to transition to a two-way guy. Will be impossible to find playing time for him in the Cincy OF though.
It's interesting to me that the players voted him in as a pitcher, as his pitching stats don't really jump off the page (as opposed to his hitting stats which are incredible). He clearly has elite stuff, and I'm sure batters are very uncomfortable facing him, so maybe that's why the players gave him the nod.
This guy plays.
If he had only gotten in as a batter and not a pitcher, would it be considered a snub? Not sure if his pitching stats were deserving enough though, but maybe this was decided before the Yankees game.
If he somehow puts together 7-10 years of above average pitching and slugging like he is now but never hits the “milestone” numbers it’s gonna be interesting to see how his HoF case is treated by the writers.
If he puts together 7-10 full season copies of this season so far he's not just first ballot unanimous, he's the undisputable GOAT.
Yeah even just 7 years of this would be the best 7 year peak of all time and it wouldn't be close.
What a legend man.
So he's a two time all star now?
You’re extremely late posting this, it’s been posted 50 times already